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The Chargers played their first preseason game yesterday, and although many were hoping the Jim Harbaugh effect would kick in immediately… that wasn’t the case, as the Chargers lost 16-3 to the Seahawks. It’s a good reminder that these games are about talent evaluation and positional battles, not about wins and losses.

That being said, here are some lessons we can take from the Bolts’ first preseason game.

Biggest Areas of Concern

This is the easiest place to start, as there are plenty of areas of concern after such a poor offensive performance.

Chargers back-up QB position battle is wide open

There’s a bridge-caliber quarterback in Ryan Tannehill available on the free agent market, and Chase Daniel has mentioned he could be ready to sign with the Chargers if the Bolts find themselves in a bind with Justin Herbert’s foot injury. By signing XFL standout Luis Perez, the Chargers signaled that concerns over Herbert’s Week One availability are minimal; rather than signing a known commodity, Hortiz backfilled the QB room with a camp arm to keep practice flowing while one of his QB’s was on the mend.

Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick, Tyrod Taylor, Lamar Jackson, Tyler Huntley all have one think in common: they all broke out while playing in Greg Roman’s scheme. Smith would go on to have success in Kansas City and Huntley hasn’t solidified himself as anything more than a capable backup, but Roman’s offense deserves credit for getting the most out of these quarterbacks of various talent levels. Many of them benefit from a similar archetype as Easton Stick – an athlete-first, quarterback-second skill set, but Roman’s system is friendly enough to such a quarterback that most of these QB’s had their best seasons under Greg.

The single most concerning thing about Saturday’s game was Easton Stick’s lack of growth as a passer. Whatever his ceiling is, he should reach it under Greg Roman. He has the mobility to benefit from a moving pocket, the ability to run an effective read-option, and ideally can lean on strong and creative run design. If he cannot show improvement in next game or two, reality might sight in that Stick is simply not an NFL-caliber quarterback. If his greatest strengths are his relationship with Justin Herbert and his ability to help Justin break down film and prepare for games, those are roles he can carry on the practice squad or even as a member of the coaching staff. Nothing about his performance Saturday indicated Stick was worth a roster spot that go to a capable veteran sitting in free agency, or rolling the dice on either Max Duggan or Luis Perez.

For what it’s worth, Max Duggan looked decently accurate on his short passes, and his ability as a runner has never been in question. To Perez’s credit, he easy had the best pass from a Chargers QB of the night.

Tight End room is one Stick away from disaster

The tight end room feels like a boom-or-bust position group. Hayden Hurst could return to his first-round pedigree and no one would bat an eye, and the combination of his well-rounded skill set with Will Dissly’s pass blocking is a Roman/Harbaugh match made in heaven. Beyond that, it gets scary. Greg Roman admitted that Donald Parham needs to be much more well-rounded and more than just a big target, and when evaluating his tight ends in a July 30th press conference could only muster “another guy” when describing Stone Smartt.

The reality of this group’s lack of depth set in when Easton Stick threw a sacrificial pass to Hayden Hurst, over his head and in the middle of a group of defenders, which set up safety K’Von Wallace to effectively take Hurst out of the game.

If the Chargers lose Hayden Hurst’s receiving production, a heavy burden will fall on Will Dissly’s shoulders, and the fallout in tight end depth will be significant. Zach Heins might provide the most hope with his NFL-ready frame and blocking ability, but he appears to be more of an insurance policy for Dissly. There just isn’t another well-rounded tight end waiting in the wings. When teams trim down to their final-53, Joe Hortiz may be scouring the waiver wire for a veteran cast-off to fill in.

Isaiah’s previous concerns spill into 2024

Isaiah Spiller is another player that might be playing for his NFL career this preseason. Spiller hasn’t flashed NFL-ready ability in his first two seasons with the Chargers, and his excuse of entering the league younger than most backs has expired. Spiller looked to be the least effective of the three reserve backs to see action yesterday, and the only one who doesn’t seem to offer anything to the offense. Elijah Dotson still has the burst he showed last preseason, and Jaret Patterson actually picked up a respectable 5.4 yards per carry.

Isaiah Spiller isn’t just fighting for his spot on the 53-man roster. If the regular season were to start today, there’s virtually no chance another team would claim him to their active roster, and it’s very likely the Chargers could find more talented backs to fill the practice squad. Spiller is running out of runway for his NFL career to take off.

Reasons for Optimism

Let’s get to some happy notes, and we’re not even going to mention Cameron Dicker… because we already knew that kid was a stud.

Joe Alt look smooth in his first live action

The most important things to remember when discussing Joe Alt’s performances throughout his rookie year are as follows:

  • Rashawn Slater was an anomaly, and doesn’t set the bar for Joe Alt.
  • Rashawn Slater was an anomaly, and doesn’t set the bar for Joe Alt.
  • Rashawn Slater was an anomaly, and doesn’t set the bar for Joe Alt.

With that out of the way, we can honestly critique the rookie’s preseason debut.

Joe Alt wasn’t perfect, and no one should expect him to be. Fundamentally, his footwork was great. There weren’t many clumsy reps were he looked out of sync with his movements, as if his body was begging to be moved back to the left side. His hands were sometimes a tad late, and he lacked a defiant anchor that just stood up would-be pass rushers when they met him at the point of contact.

He’s 21 years old, and 6’8”. Alt will need a couple seasons to fully develop the punishing strength that frame is capable of. His footwork, motor, and pad level showed very promising signs that he will be more than a capable starter as a rookie – just don’t expect him to be an All-Pro from Day One. Besides being an otherworldly tackle-talent, a small part of Slater’s early success may have been attributed to his more compact build and extra year of development going into his rookie year… along with his incredible drive and work ethic.

Defensive front had multiple standout moments

Scott Matlock showed up as advertised, displaying his motor on multiple plays, and awareness to break up a screen pass… despite not cleaning up the tackle.

Otito Ogbonnia flashed some explosion and drive, cleaning up Matlock’s tackle on the screen play.

Jerrod Clark plugged in well as a nose tackle, playing a key role in a goal line standing, soaking up double teams and freeing up the linebackers and safeties to get to Seattle’s ball carriers.

It’s not the best position group on the team, but the interior defensive line doesn’t look like the liability many were concerned it may be throughout the offseason. It should be a capable unit anchored by elite play on the EDGEs.

Third safety/slot corner battles inspire some hope

AJ FInley was all over the field, showing what Brandon Staley saw in him last year to break camp on the 53-man roster as a UDFA. He finished the game with three tackles and a pass defensed, and looked extremely capable as a third safety in Minter’s defense. This will be one of the most interesting camp battle to watch, as JT Woods also had a PBU and didn’t look out of place on an initial watch of the game, and Tony Jefferson even played a role in stuffing the running back on LAC’s goal line stand.

As Ryan Watkins predicted, Tarheeb Still is another player to closely monitor. He had two PBU’s, one coming off a blitz where he deftly got two hands up to bat the ball down. He had flashes playing in the slot, another position in the midst of a camp battle with little certainty over who will break camp as the starter.

StormCloud, what do you all think? What were some of the lessons and takeaways you had from our first playoff game?


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Like most, I’m left wondering what should be done at QB backup. There’s that. It can be said that tossing Perez out there was unfair to him. At the same time, I get the reasoning. What else to do besides give him some run while things were going as they were? I say give him more run to get a better look as he understands more of the process.

While (very) patiently waiting for a 1st down from the offense, I was watching for the defense to bail them out. They did a fine job for the most part. The beginning was a tad slow. Something started to click and the defense got more aggressive. The results were starting to pile up.

Everyone seems to be talking about our defense allowing the one 3rd and long. I believe it was the 3rd and 17. My recollection is that they allowed at least two other 3rd and longs. Not as long as the aforementioned, but they were long. That was despite being blitz-happy. It’s worth keeping an eye on as Minter’s mindset is trying to cover that weakness. Besides that, there were signs of life from the secondary. Hopefully they just keep building on that.


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A few bright spots, mostly on defense. Do we hope Perez develops into a capable backup QB? I don’t see continuing to roll these dice with Stick and still feel Duggan was a wasted pick….even as a 7th. His arm is not NFL caliber.

 

Another reminder of what a crap job TT and Lil Johnny did drafting and building a roster. It’s preseason so I’m not gonna go all Chicken Little, but I also think we should temper our first year under Harbaugh expectations. There’s much work to be done and it will take time and patience.


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@buck-melanoma 1000%. This is year 1 of a roster rebuild. Not just a deficient roster, but the cap situation was awful. “We” all need to stay the course and be patient with the shift in culture and roster. I’d rather go with a young guy like Perez, with skills and upside than Stick/Duggan.


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@spanos-must-go I think they need to give him more snaps next Saturday.  And I think you’re right about the roster, but it’s hard to get a proper gauge when none of the offensive skill players were getting much of an opportunity.


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@buck-melanoma I’m guessing it is going to take longer than hoped for to undo the mess those two made of this team.  One solid draft can’t fix a decade of poor drafting.


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@foutsmfic I agree. That’s been my belief. Some (not here) appear to believe in miracles.


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@buck-melanoma Thank goodness not here.  That’s why we are here (thank you again Kyle).


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@buck-melanoma 

As much as I didn’t like the draft of Duggan, he might be actually better than Stick. It isn’t saying much for Duggan bc Stick has not been good at all.   


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Couldn’t agree more that Harbaugh amplifies how poorly constructed the roster was under the previous leadership. Assuming the compensatory pick formula begins to work in our favor over the next two years, we aren’t far off. Special teams was vastly improved under Ficken, Defense under Minter seems to be more controlled, and offense just seems to be behind the curve on talent. We’ll get there, but without playing preseason it would be hard to get a real look at how extensive the mess Telesco and John left Hortiz and Harbaugh in. They’ll turn over every rock it seems like to get the answers.

Down to the studs they’ll go until as he said in his presser” The best players will play”.


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I did not see the game.

IMO Stick is going to be QB2. Perez was needed because the coaches need to evaluate other position groups, like the WRs, TEs, and RBs. It’s hard to do that with disaster-level QB play, and they must have felt that Perez could at least be a camp upgrade over Duggan.


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@tau837 yes, he will be but he shouldn’t be.  That was a terrible QB performance by Stick.  It was painful watching him yesterday.  Their backup QB situation is very messy, & that’s putting it mildly.  And the bigger issue is the point you mentioned above.  Without at average QB play it’s gonna be difficult to evaluate these young WRs & RBs.  The preseason needs to be an evaluation phase of some of the depth pieces.  And I’m afraid this phase won’t be as effective now that they don’t even have someone to get them to ball.


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@lfg_boltz They could sign Tannehill, but it would cost a lot (relatively speaking for a QB2)… they probably don’t want to do that if they don’t feel Herbert will miss regular season games at this point.

The situation is very unfortunate, but they are playing the hand they have been dealt by injuries plus the previous regime’s personnel/roster decisions.

Popper pointed out in his article that the first preseason game under Harbaugh in SF was a similar offensive disaster… actually worse given they were not missing QB1… and they went on to a 13-3 season. I’m not predicting that here, but it provides some perspective.


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@tau837 

I agree. It’s how I gauged Herbert’s injury. If it was serious enough for him to miss regular season games, they would have gone after Tannehill already. Plus, with a plantar fascia injury, you can still play thru it after a good foot taping job and with a pain killer shot. I played with the same injury all season long in one long rugby season. I played a position (openside flanker similar to a LB at the Will spot) which required running and sprinting a lot. Pushing in the scrum was more painful but I pushed it with my heal instead. :)) Justin isn’t doing that. I think he will be fine. 


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“heel” rather :)) 


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@tui1hit I agree with you about the injury.  But it’s the timing & chemistry (or lack thereof) he is losing with his skill players that is the glaring issue.  Fortunately the first few games are very winnable games, & it’ll buy him more time with his teammates.


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Good article @kylededi and well done for getting it up in quick time!

I’m going to save my opinions for our TDU show on Wednesday, but it was a tough watch on Offense, especially given how excited everyone was to take their first look at the Harbaugh/Roman Offense. We must remind ourselves that it’s only a pre-season game. What we saw though was not good.

The big question this week is what to do with Easton Stick:

  • Stick charted 198 regular season dropbacks in 2023 which is right on the borderline of a sufficient sample size.
  • Of QBs to play at least 20% of their team’s regular season snaps, Stick’s PFF Grade of 66.8 ranked 31st of 41 QBs.
    o PFF thought he played better last year than Will Levis, Minshew, Dobbs, Howell, Zach Wilson, Daniel Jones, Ridder, Bryce Young, Mac Jones & Zappe.
  • Yesterday might have been the worst I’ve seen Stick play in the NFL.

Obviously, Harbaugh & Hortiz could’ve moved on from Easton in the offseason. Like me, they probably were reasonably impressed by his starts late last year – enough to stick with it (See Kyle, I can also do puns).  But I wonder how they feel today after what Stick displayed yesterday. It was bad. Maybe they ride it out for the next two games and then decide if [INSERT WASHED BACK-UP HERE] is the better option.

Also, please don’t force me to become the anti-Scott Matlock guy on here. I’ve just rewatched the game and thought he was pretty putrid. Tito definitely flashed, but Hinton/Matlock had poor showings IMO.

Onwards to Wk 2!


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@alisterlloyd

I thought about this whole back-up QB thing yesterday.  I believe that QB is the hardest position to play in sports.  There are approximately 4-5 great ones, another 10-15 good ones, and the bottom third of the league is in QB purgatory. If the bottom third of the league is struggling to have a “good one or a great one” how can we expect to have a “good” backup.   If you are in that bottom third of the league or you lose a good/great QB you are essentially cooked.  Is the expectation off base to think that we should have this really good back-up QB that will win us games?  I would think that there is a correlation between how good the rest of the roster is and the ability to survive a period of time with your back-up QB.  Strong and balanced teams would probably lead to a much higher ability to squeeze out a couple of wins with a back-up.   If the Chargers build a solid running game and defense, they should be able to squeeze out wins with a decent back-up.  The question about Stick is where he ranks among the top 64 QBs.  If he ranks in the top 45 then he should be good as our back-up.  The expectation that he plays “starter-level” football is probably a bar set to high.

With this said, Stick did not play well in the first preseason game and that is inexcusable.  It is preseason and this is where he should thrive, especially playing with many first-teamers and facing depleted defenses who are playing vanilla defense.  He has been getting all of the snaps in practice and should be sharp.  The next two games should give the Chargers a good look at whether they project him in the top 45 QBs.


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@spanos-must-go Well said SMG. I think fans would be frustrated that a team like the Bengals maintained a decent Offense with Jack Browning as QB last year; and the Browns managed to keep winning with a ridiculous combo of QBs (DRT, PJ Walker, Driskel, Flacco). The hope was that Easton Stick could be that type of QB this year surrounded by a good OL and better coaching. But how could one feel confident about that now after what they saw from him v the Seahawks? This match-up against the Rams is now big for the rest of Stick’s career. He surely won’t be THAT bad again. But I’d love to see him have a good game rather than an average game to restore some confidence that he could win a regular season game if called into action.


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@spanos-must-go Backup QBs arguably better than Stick last season (I say arguably because some are debatable and some had small samples):

  • Browning (CIN)
  • Levis (TEN)
  • Minshew (IND)
  • Tyrod (NYG)
  • DeVito (NYG)
  • O’Connell (LV)
  • Flacco (CLE)
  • Brissett (WAS)
  • Wentz (LAR)
  • Dalton (CAR)
  • Beathard (JAX)
  • Rudolph (PIT)
  • Darnold (SF)

Kyle Allen (BUF) is arguably better but didn’t take a snap last season. Same for Bridgewater (DET).

However, Stick was arguably better than both of the primary QBs for the Falcons. So he was probably somewhere in the 40-45 range.

As you suggest, if the team still believes Herbert will play a full season or possibly miss just 1-2 games, Stick seems like a reasonable backup based on his play last season. Not one of the best backups, but not one of the worst… middle of the pack… and with a small cap hit.

If the team’s assessment is that there is a high risk of Herbert missing 4-8 games this season, I could see the team feeling compelled to bring in Tannehill since they would have motivation to have a backup who can actually win 50% or more of his starts so the season isn’t tanked if Herbert misses several games.

If the team’s assessment is that Herbert is likely to miss most or all of the season, the decision is the toughest IMO. On the one hand, it arguably makes sense to tank in that scenario. But, on the other hand, bottom of league level QB play could inhibit the development of other young players, and it could possibly undermine the culture Harbaugh wants to build in season one. In that case, it could still make sense to bring in Tannehill.


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Curious to hear what you think of the latest article.

I think Tyler Huntley should be added to that list as well, and would be a smart addition to this squad.


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@kylededi Gut reaction: I don’t have a high opinion of Huntley, and I think Tannehill is clearly better.

In 468 career dropbacks, Huntley has:

  • 10 passing TDs and 8 interceptions
  • YPA of 5.8
  • Big time throw percentage of 2.0% vs. turnover worthy play percentage of 3.3%
  • NFL passer rating of 79.4

Those numbers are not good. Compare to Stick, in 198 career dropbacks:

  • 3 passing TDs and 1 interception
  • YPA of 6.5
  • Big time throw percentage of 2.7% vs. turnover worthy play percentage of 3.3%
  • NFL passer rating of 85.8

Clearly, Stick has a smaller sample size, but I see no evidence that Huntley is an actual upgrade.

Yes, Huntley has experience with Roman, which is a plus. But if Tannehill is a consideration, he is obviously better IMO. Tannehill would also likely cost a higher cap hit, but they can afford it.

I could see them signing Tannehill to a 3 year contract for moderate backup money with an out after year 2, giving Tannehill a team to take him to retirement.

If they would even consider this, I would like them to do it immediately, so he can start dominating reps. But, as I posted initially, I expect they will go with Stick as QB2.


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@tau837 100% agree with everything you wrote.


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  • The amount of bright spot from Matlock wasn’t enough for me to be convinced. He didn’t win enough in one-on-one situations he had, which is what you expect the DT’s to get when Bosa, Mack and Tuli on the edges. Against double blocking, he’s pushed back like a rag doll. I think Minter and Jim left him in there longer to get a better look at him and he has two more preseason games to prove he is worth of starter’s snaps. 
  • I think if Stick gives a similar performance on Saturday against the Rams, he could be very well off the team. 
  • The IOL is still big question mark to me. If they still struggle to create running lanes and to create a more consistent pocket for the passer. Just wait until they play 13 games against top interior defenders.   

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@tui1hit Yeah Matlock had a nice snap or two. I remember the screen he sniffed out grabbing the Seahawks player’s jock strap until a teammate arrived to force the TFL. That was a great play. He made his way into the backfield on another play. But he was on the field for most of the game, and like you, I thought he was neutralised by his direct opponent(s) too frequently for me to walk away impressed by what I saw.


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I am heavily biased against putting much if any stock in a preseason game.  I view them as just another way to extract money from season ticket holders more than anything else.  

My strong suspicion is that Harbaugh and Roman want to show as little as possible before the regular season to make it more difficult for teams to prepare.  One advantage a new coaching staff with a new scheme brings early in their first year, at least the first 3-4 games, is the lack of tape of the new scheme executed by these players.  Harbaugh is smart this way so for me and possibly him other than trying to figure out the last few players to make the roster and practice squad this preseason game (and the rest) mean(s) virtually nothing.

 

 


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@gbgh I agree with this completely. The one thing that was mentioned in the thread is the backups not giving some of the players around them a fair shake for coaches to evaluate. This obviously comes mostly from the QB. Perez should get most or all of the reps in game 3 and let Stick and Duggan swap quarters or every two possessions or something


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