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Please no more Prime Time games. Keep this horseshit offense on Sunday at 1PM so I can at least watch other competent offenses on Red Zone.
@evolz3737 difficult to call this one primetime when you need ESPN+ subscription to watch but point taken. Roman is just exactly what others warned about.
Roman ain’t it. Question is should LAC move on from him now or wait until the off season? Either way it seems like LAC loses in this scenario because it means that either another year is wasted for Herbert or Herbert has to learn another playbook yet again.
Fuck these refs, that was horrendous officiating! Between this game and the Broncos game, what is going on? Is it the gambling, is gambling impacting the integrity of officiating NFL? I’m really questioning not only the officiating during Chargers game’s but other prime time games as well. Just seems like the refs have a hand in keeping games close and suspenseful during high viewership games. Don’t even get me started on the unfair bias towards the Chiefs!
Wasn’t Harbaugh hired so we stopped losing games like this to bad teams? I mean how many years are we going to have to watch the Chargers play down to their competition? If this is what it’s going to be then maybe we should have kept Staley. At least the losses came with an exciting offense. Watching this shit is like being water boarded for 3 hours. I know this team isn’t a finished product roster wise, but this team is light years away from competing with the Chiefs, Bills or Ravens. Where has the “bully mentality” gone? Seems like it only shows up against the bad teams and not against any team that punches back like the Cards did tonight. For a team that wants to be physical and dominate the trenches it sure seems like they wilt when the other team hits first.
I think Hortiz has done a good job turning over the roster, but if this TE centric offense is what they want to run, why the fuck didn’t we draft or sign a pass catching TE? I think the rest of the year will be a complete grind finishing with 8 or 9 wins. Even the shitty Cards figured out that if you stop Dobbins you only have to cover 10 yards b/c there are no weapons or chunk plays beating you over the top. It’s probably the least explosive offense in the league. Why the fuck did we pay Herbert if they want him to be Trent Dilfer? And if Dobbins goes down, forget it. The other team might play prevent all game. Who would scare them? Kick a FG with 3 mins left I should have bet my mortgage the Cards were winning with a FG. Herbert should have just gone to the locker room after Dicker kicked it. Different Coach, different GM, different DC, same fucking results.
@evolz3737 I really wish I could honestly refute any of this….but I can’t.
Definitely a couple of horrific calls at the end….one no call, one ticky tack. But those really aren’t the issue. The issue is Harbaugh’s gushing about Herbert’s talent doesn’t align with what we’re seeing on the offensive side of the ball. And you’re right, EV….they’re NOT answering back when they get punched in the mouth. This culture change is horseshit at this juncture. Minter is the only guy walking that talk.
Quite a bit of overreacting going on in here.
I was having trouble streaming bc I don’t have ESPN+, so I’m far from having broken down game film. Seems the number one problem for the Chargers is the IOL play. There were some lapses on defense, some bogus calls/non-calls, a notable lack of reliable pass catchers (though Dissley had a nice night). But against a league-bottom rush defense, Dobbins and co. should have been able to find open lanes. Herbert should have had a clean pocket. They should have been in better down and distance situations all night. Some of this falls on Roman, but Zion, Bozeman, and Pipkins need to play better. I don’t see much changing mid-season, so we may see another game or two like this before season’s end. And that’s a bummer.
@smith I’d say IOL play and receivers getting separation.
Bozeman’s play is below average and it’s affecting both guards.
@smith Isn’t this the same IOL play that got great results against the Raiders and panthers and everyone was glazing themselves over? So, this scheme only works against the dregs of the league? Great. Can’t wait for the annual battle for 3rd place in the AFC West.
@evolz3737 Yep. Same OL. And the Cards are—or at least were—one of the worst against the run.
I’m not interested in pushing any panic buttons yet and nobody needs to be fired. This was a roster that was left bare by Telesco’s mismanagement. Bozeman was a one-year stop gap who is not totally working out (unlike Dobbins, Fulton, Ford, Tart). Pipkins is a mediocre dude at a new position. Zion, one hopes, could play better with a more solid center.
The receiver position may improve with Chark, but we shall see. McConkey looks good, but I don’t think he’s been put in the best positions for his skill set yet.
Perhaps there will be a trade in the coming weeks, but a decade of Telesco (and a still-tenuous cap situation) makes me less than optimistic. If they do make a move, I hope it’s for a center. Or that Salyer or Jaimes finds a phone booth to pull on their Superman suits.
This was a shit loss, no doubt, but any calls for blowing up the whole project are wildly premature.
At the game very disappointed. The team got deflated as soon as Reagor got stripped of the ball. Put that guy back on the streets no need to give him another chance 4th team as a first round pick he is not it.
Also, what about a few more screens it seems the one to the TE has worked in the past few games but no Run, Run, Run. Terrible game plan 2.7 yards a carry is worthless.
Team lacks speed in the skill offensive spots. I would have liked to see several long passes even if they fell incomplete or got picked off. Many times WR’s draw penalties on those plays but Roman doesn’t seem to try them. Roman needs to go, his game plans seem to be very predictable and in his offense guys can’t get schemed open and it shows.
But a lot of this mess is still from the Telesco era. Go back and look at all the whiff on draft picks.
Encouraged as Dicker is awesome, the young DB’s are getting experience as well as the young LB’s.
I don’t know the CAP space for next year but hope Free Agents can be found to fill some of the heavily need positions.
And finally don’t get me started on the OL, it was beyond horrible on running plays. Slater and Zion couldn’t open any holes for 2 first round picks they need to play much better. But it is hard when it appears the Roman O everyone knows what is coming.
Geez horrible game.
I’m disappointed to see all the overreactions here. So, Harbaugh is a wrong hire now after just 6 games into season one of rebuilding?? Obviously there have been some unrealistic expectations for year one of Harbaugh’s reign. For a moment I thought I clicked back on BFTB. I can’t overstate my disappointment.
This team is at .500 at 3-3 with three winnable games (Saints/Browns/Titans) coming up plus the Broncos/ Pats/Raiders to finish out the season. They could steal a win against the Bengals/ Ravens/ Falcons/ Chiefs/ Bucs to garner 10 wins for the season, which could be enough to make the playoffs. If not, year 2 is slated to have a playoff caliber squad, and year 3 is a strong run for the SB. Anything less, I would then be calling for someone’s head on a platter.
@tui1hit We’re doing our TDU show tonight and there will be some ‘hand wringing” about the Offense failing to convert in the RZ. But this same team pushed KC and the Steelers right to the brink (despite injuries). Last night was the first true bad game this year and we all know that fixing this roster wasn’t a one-year job.
I’m pissed off that we lost and some of the game’s key moments were anger inducing (Raegor fumble, Tart fumble, flags down the stretch) but I’m not remotely concerned about the long-term outlook for this team under Harbaugh, Roman and Minter. Roman is the guy who is most on notice, but even for him, I’m not close to wanting an OC change. 6 games does not a season make.
@alisterlloyd I think the loss of Williams/Parham/Ekeler has shown to have issues in our redzone… similar to that Everett I really think would be nice to have.
We really need a good TE and a good Big 50/50 wr to round out the receiving corps… I’s obvious Bozeman isn’t gonna work out.
@tui1hit who says Harbaugh is the wrong hire? Are we not allowed to question decisions at all? Is unmitigated fealty to this staff a requirement here?
Harbaugh has made some questionable game management decisions and I wonder just how much “toughness” he’s brought to date but I haven’t called for his head. Now Roman? Yeah, I’m quickly losing patience with him. Our offensive production is atrocious. Some is absolutely attributable to the roster but not all of it.
Now that I realize we’re not to question dear leader, I guess I’ll keep my Charger discussions to myself. So long.
@buck-melanoma C’mon Buck you’re entitled to express your opinion, and others can come back disagreeing. All’s fair in love and war! It’s totally fine to question Harbaugh and also for others to have drunk the Kool-Aid! We all want the same ultimate outcome after all 🙂
Buck. I didn’t mean it like that, brother. I only voiced my own disappointment based on my opinion, which does not make yours or anyone’s here wrong or unreasonable. I’m not whatsoever instigating a different standard for Harbaugh on how we should view him in our comments. I just thought the knocks on him were too premature. Like Alister has mentioned; it’s all in good love and by the nature of an open forum.
A couple weeks ago, my brother and his family visited us in San Diego from Alister’s hometown, Melbourne, Australia where most of my family lives. This one particular brother of mine always had a strong opinion regarding our (U.S.) political system, about a certain political party, and a certain presidential candidate. He couldn’t wait to discuss his political viewpoints. I’m an engineer, not a politician; I don’t lose my lunch or sleep over political matters while my political influence is infinitesimal especially as a resident of California. After feeling annoyed by my brother’s unrestrained political tendencies over family gatherings, I finally asked him privately not to do it again, but made the mistake of asking him why he cared so much if he does not pay any U.S. taxes. He didn’t speak to me for 2 days until we hugged each other on a golf course.
While little of my story is analogous to our disagreements here, the part my brother and I hugged it out and moved on as brothers is the point I hope to convey here. I have six brothers, and often we don’t agree on stuff but we’re still brothers. I feel the same about everyone here in the StormCloud family, and wish not to be insensitive to anyone. If I have offended anyone, I sincerely apologize.
@tui1hit no need to apologize. I overreacted to your statement about Harbaugh.
I don’t see anyone, at least not here, looking to ditch Harbaugh. The guy I see being (IMO justifiably) questioned is Roman. The roster is what it is. You run what ya brung, not what you wish you had.
Honestly, my only issue with Harbaugh so far is some of his clock/game management.
We’re good, brother. I’m the one outta sorts. I’ve lost 2 friends unexpectedlyrics in 2 weeks….both younger than me. It’s sad and unsettling but no need to bring it here. I apologize too.
@buck-melanoma Sorry to hear this mate. Take care of yourself. Condolences.
We’re good, brother. I’m the one outta sorts. I’ve lost 2 friends unexpectedlyrics in 2 weeks….both younger than me. It’s sad and unsettling but no need to bring it here. I apologize too.
Thanks Al. One was music family….a really great guy that I’d just spent an evening with. The other was the husband of one of my wife’s childhood friends. Now she’s in this fucked up club with me. It’s dredged up a lot of emotions that I’m obviously struggling with. 😕
@buck-melanoma I feel you Buck. Keep your head up. Better days are ahead, but losing people hurts.
Thx man. I feel really bad for his wife. She watched what I’ve been thru losing Pam. I hate that now it’s her turn.
@buck-melanoma Sorry to hear about your loss, Buck. Hang in there, my friend. It’s a deep wound to lose a loved one.
@tui1hit Nobody said anything about Harbaugh, but why did his own brother get rid of Roman and then had the offense take off into the juggernaut it has been for the last 2 seasons? I’m sorry, but if Monday night didn’t show you that the talent of Herbert and this ground and pound offensive scheme aren’t a match, I don’t know what else to tell you. The big complaint of years before was that there was ZERO rushing offense, and everyone got excited to hear Roman say “Can you imagine Justin Herbert with a good running game”. That doesn’t mean you need to become the 1965 Packers. You can still be a high volume passing offense that can EFFECTIVELY run the ball when you need it. It is done by multiple teams in the league (Det, SF, Sea, Balt, Buff, Phi, GB). Being a run centric team is neutering the talent you have at QB. Would you have Jim Brown at RB and employ a run and shoot offense? If this is the offense they want, there is no need for 250M QB. Go get Joe Flacco and use all the extra cap space on another 6 OL, 2 RB and another 3 blocking TE. This scheme is a complete mismanagement of talent.
Just watched a bit of the all-22. On the first offensive snap, there were 10 Cardinals within 5 yards of the LOS. At the snap, all 10 were crashing the running lanes. To Herbert’s credit, it looked like he moved the team into a pass and completed an out for a first down.
The Cardinals were selling out to stop the run. While the Chargers were able to throw and move the ball, the playmakers were not able to shake a tackle and make the Cardinals pay. Roman needs to find a way to back defenses up. They are not going to be able to run when teams put 10 on the LOS.
The book for stopping the Greg Roman led Chargers offense is now written. Until the Chargers adjust, move against their tendencies, and find a way to get the ball to their playmakers in space, I expect teams to follow the blueprint and stack the LOS.
@kevdiego Kev, I didn’t get to watch any film yet, but just from the live game, the LOS looked packed. That is the issue with this style of offense and the current personnel. When you become one dimensional, you can become easy to defend. If you are going to be one dimensional, it better be so damn dominant that you can’t stop it, you only hope to contain it. That is definitely not the case in year 1. The one thing that I have always had a hard time of understanding is, why would Harbaugh glaze Herbert and essentially take this job because of him, only to want to run an offense that doesn’t require a special talent at QB? It’s like using a Maserati for a demolition derby. I could be sold that, with the roster they inherited, leaning into the running game was a way to be competitive this season, but hiring Roman suggests this is the way they want to play, period, personnel be damned. I think people can get skewed by past performances. Yes Greg Roman was the OC on some successful teams that had deep playoff runs and a SB appearance, but those offenses featured something we do not have, a rushing threat at QB. It is a completely different animal with Herbert at QB.
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