We’ve just released Episode 127 of the Thunder Down Under Chargers Podcast.
Our synopsis is below:
The Chargers ran into a buzzsaw on Sunday at SoFi Stadium. The Indianapolis Colts Offense, powered by their Elite OL and early NFL MVP candidate RB Jonathan Taylor, did as they pleased all afternoon against a helpless Jesse Minter Defense. Taylor ran for 3 TDs, Daniel Jones passed for 2 scores, and the Colts amassed 38 points and 401 Total Yards. For the Bolts, the shining light was rookie Oronde Gadsden whose 164 rec yards was the 3rd highest total ever by a Chargers TE. Herbert’s 420 passing yards were also the most of his career in a single game. Ultimately, it didn’t matter. The Chargers fell to 4-3 and today, on a short week, we unpack everything ahead of a crucial TNF match-up against the Minnesota Vikings. Don’t miss it!
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Good show, guys.
Al said: “They [Colts] are Jim Harbaugh’s wet dream.” I agree, but the Chargers have not approached their roster decisions like the Colts. In the top 4 rounds in the past 2 drafts:
Colts:
1st: DE, TE
2nd: DE, WR
3rd: G, CB
4th: C, OT
Chargers:
1st: OT, RB
2nd: WR, WR
3rd: LB, IDL
4th: IDL, DE
There are many reasons for that, so it is clearly not an apples to apples comparison. But the first grouping looks more like what I think of as Harbaugh priorities.
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Al said: “most annoyed I’ve ever been with a Chargers head coach presser.” I disagree with this take. There are plenty of coaches, in fact most coaches, who aren’t honest and straightforward with the media. Think Belichick’s “on to Cincinnati.” I think what aggravates you is the unwarranted positivity from Harbaugh, but that is who we know he is.
I don’t think his charter is honesty. His charter is to do whatever he thinks is best for the team at all times. We may disagree with his approach, but I think it is unquestionably what he thinks is the best approach.
We don’t know what he says in the locker room and meeting rooms. I have to assume that he is more direct, or at least that he charters his staff with being more direct while he remains removed.
IMO there will likely never be a coach who has worse pressers than Staley did towards the end, when he started openly feuding with the press and revealing his clear stubbornnes and obliviousness about his own coaching approach and lack of self awareness in his press conferences. It is Staley by a mile for me, not even close.
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I only got about 60% through the show before the game. Will finish later.
Thanks Tau.
Good shoutout about the team’s drafting priorities. To become an OL powerhouse, you must invest there! This is Chris Ballard’s 9th season as GM, so hopefully Hortiz will learn from his early experiences and start to prioritise it more in the future.
On my press conference take:
I think being dishonest is one of life’s truly great sins. I hate it when politicians do it. I hate it when senior executives do it (even when I’ve had to proofread their speaking notes :-p). I hate it when media people wilfully do it. I think it actually erodes the fabric of our society because mutual trust between humans is what’s taken us from the warring middle ages, into modernity, globalisation and relative prosperity. It hurtles us as a species back towards a darker period of history. That’s a sobering thought and maybe I’m quixotic to expect more from football coaches, but that hopefully clarifies my stance.
I thought Harbaugh was dishonest in that press conference and not just unduly optimistic. I think it was a calculated decision not to show weakness in front of the media. He prevaricated when he could have directly answered a question. And there is no way, that he watched Jonathan Taylor rush for 3 TDs against the Defense, going virtually untouched each time, and thought that was a stalwart, resolute performance. I don’t buy it.
Staley was certainly stubborn and got angry when he was repeatedly asked about whether he’d retain playcalling. He had strong self-belief (probably to the point of delusion) that his staff (and he) could right the ship. But he didn’t hesitate to speak truthfully about things being bad when they were bad. His problem was speaking too much, not too little. I thought Lynn and McCoy were also truthful when the team had to do a better job. And Belichick’s “On to Cincinnati’ speech – although neatly falling into the ‘refusing to directly answer’ bucket – at least wasn’t him trying to sell us all a lemon. He just didn’t want to talk about the game. So I think Harbaugh’s approach to that press conference was worse than anything I’ve seen from a Chargers coach previously and disrespectful to everyone who listened (especially fans but also the journalists).
I agree with you that he unquestionably thinks it’s the best approach. And thankfully his charter isn’t to win press conferences, it’s to win football games and be a good coach. And he’s clearly much better at those things than Staley was.
FWIW, I haven’t missed a Staley presser yet as Saints DC. I still find him to be one of the most interesting/thoughtful coaches in the League, consistently sharing deep insights into offensive and defense trends, and his knowledge of the game and commitment to personal improvement (at least, so it seems) is frequently on display. The Saints Defense is 19th in EPA/Play, so he’s only doing an ok job.
I may not be a fan of Harbaugh’s press conferences (tbh I don’t find him to be the most erudite speaker about the game). But I’m a big fan of the way he builds the self-belief of his players and a strong culture. It was on full display last night.
Sorry, I’d broken this down with bullets but the formatting changed on me. Posting again for readability:
Perhaps I should have said that IMO the head coach owes nothing to the reporters or fans in press conferences. I don’t disagree that being dishonest is a bad thing. But I don’t think that means that coaches need to be transparent and honest.
So maybe Harbaugh continuously being effusive in praise is less than desirable when it isn’t warranted, I can agree with that. Better would be to just say “On to Cincinnati” or equivalent.
As for Staley, I have never doubted his knowledge of the game. That has nothing to do with his issues in Chargers press conferences. His emotional intelligence and self awareness were severely lacking then. Maybe he has learned from that now, I don’t know.
“On to Cincinnati” is more acceptable when you’ve coached a team to six Super Bowl wins.
Fair enough, but my point is that Harbaugh owes nothing to anyone in his press conferences. Whatever he offers is above and beyond what he has to offer.
I don’t know if Staley’s learned from it either. I think it would be fair to have doubts about that.
I can respect the opinion that “Harbaugh owes nothing to anyone in his press conferences’. I think there are two broader lens that could be taken to that position:
Both of those could be viewed as highfalutin takes on it all. Harbaugh might not even accept that he was dishonest! “On to Tennessee”
Good discussion.
As much as any stakeholder (fan), I appreciate it when I feel like I get insight from a press conference. However, that is rare, across all sports I follow. I perceive the reason for that is basically what I said already.
Coaches are chartered with winning games. There are a lot of things that flow out of that, like how they manage coaching staff, front office relationships, player relationships, playing time decisions, etc. One of the very lowest items on the list, if not the lowest, if it is even on the list the employer would define, is giving transparent information to reporters and fans.
If they want to go above and beyond and do that, great. I appreciate it as a stakeholder. But any transparency they give to their stakeholders is transparency they give to their opponents. And they are absolutely motivated not to do that. Therein lies the quandary.
What began this discussion may not really be exactly about transparency. It started with Harbaugh’s tendency to have nothing but praise for his players. Sometimes we have reason to disagree with it, and perhaps we assume he is being disingenuous. But do we know that?
It is possible this is how he is at all times, though I’m a bit doubtful about that. To the extent that he is overly positive, even behind closed doors, it could be because of his goals relating to team culture and player relationships. I wouldn’t presume to know that.
It is also possible that he isn’t that way at all times, but he believes this facade with the media facilitiates achieving his objectives with team culture and player relationships. Again, I wouldn’t presume to know that. Would that mean being dishonest? I doubt he sees it that way. I expect he would see it as building up his players to help facilitate team goals.
It is also worth noting that the coordinators have press conferences. Harbaugh could easily take a stance that he is the CEO and should take more of a team goal driven approach in press conferences, while his coordinators might actually give more meaningful information.
All that said, I’m okay with his approach, since I assume whatever he has decided about it is in the best interest of the team.
Jack called it a “lead lining” that Allen is getting looks. I disagree completely. Allen has been very effective.
Much better to have Allen + Ladd, Johnston, Gadsden, Harris, et al. than to have that same group without Allen. Why would you ever want lesser players?
The most likely thing is that Ladd will eventually return to 2024 form and the combination of him plus Allen plus improved Johnston plus Gadsden plus Harris plus the return of Alt, Pipkins, and Hampton will enable the Chargers to really take a big step forward as an offense.
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Is it bad GMing to cut Murphy when adding both Oweh and Mack to the active roster? Absolutely not. Who would they have cut other than Murphy? Would you really expect the team to keep 6 Edge players? Or to cut Dupree or Kennard? I don’t see that.
Frankly, Murphy is a practice squad / 53 man roster bubble caliber player. He is just a guy (JAG), though I certainly appreciate his contributions to the team. IMO he was an obvious cut in this scenario.
IMO it is on Ficken to adjust appropriately to losing Murphy. If he didn’t do that, that is on him, not Hortiz. Ficken gets more deference than any special teams coach I can remember for past Chargers teams as far as roster choices. He needs to make it work.
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Not totally done yet. Maybe more to follow.
Al brought up Allen “up the ladder.” Yes, I agree that Allen will likely be back next season. Why not?
At the risk of being critical, Jack’s example related to the formation wins games was hard to follow.
I found it hard to follow too 😝
I’m sure some of you have seen this little gem:
[OptaSTATS] Justin Herbert is the first player in NFL history (regular or postseason) to have 35+ completions, 420+ pass yards, 3+ pass TD and 30+ rush yards in a loss.
Same as it ever was…
Listened earlier today. Still waiting for the Three Amigos to return!!
So are we! 😆
Honestly this week was very unlucky. All three of us were in the room about to record but it was clear Andy was unwell with a virus and he was going to press on with us, but he was a risk of having to exit the studio at any moment so we told him not to worry about it.
Aiming to do a Vike Recap + midseason Mailbag show on Monday evening US time
Fantastic. Any thoughts of another live stream? That was great to interact with you guys in real time.
We’ve been discussing it Erick for this weekend, but Jack is away on a family trip. Bye week would’ve been perfect for it. Alas. We’ll strive for other opportunities.
Listened to the pod today. Eagerly awaiting the return of the three Amigos.
All-22 from the Colts game that we posted to X:
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Clip 6: https://x.com/TDU_Chargers/status/1980772402817822991
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Clip 10: https://x.com/TDU_Chargers/status/1980840031775564247