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Hey Bolt Fam, I figured I would start an open thread for post draft discussions. Anything you guys liked, disliked? Any players you really wanted? Do you really love any players that were drafted? Any thoughts on the current roster? Anything you wished happened in the draft? Anything is fair game here as we move toward the schedule release and OTA's. Let's hear it!!
I'll add more of my own takes when I have more time. For now, I'll post Popper's analysis for discussion.
I agree with his take on IOL. Could we have done more? Certainly more bodies. Not sure if any of them would be sure-fire improvements. If anything, I'd have taken a hard look at yes, one of the center options....maybe Wilson? The class had no JPJ or Frazier.
I like Kenard but edge is another area where more might have been done. Mack isn't ageless and Dupree is inconsistent.
I like that Herbert got some weapons. I hope, as always, the new guys are productive.
Anyone concerned that Hampton might be a bit put off knowing how hard Hortiz tried to get out of 22?
@feeblepubliccableaccessshow They could always spin it that they were waiting on an offer and they didn't get an offer that was worth more than Hampton because they were so high on him. At the end of the day Hampton will be paid as draft pick 1.22 and not later so he has to be happy about that. I think he was a Rd1 talent, I am just not a RB in RD1 guy. IMO, that position is more of a finishing piece and good players can be found in later rounds, especially with the depth in this class.
After last year's draft and UDFA signings, the Chargers:
- Signed WR Chark (5/6)
- Signed Edge Dupree (5/13)
- Signed OL Leatherwood (5/29)
- Signed S Jefferson (6/14)
- Signed IDL Tart (8/16)
- Claimed RB Haskins off waivers (8/28)
- Traded for S Molden (8/29)
- Traded for QB Heinicke (8/29)
All but Leatherwood and Jefferson made the final 53 man roster, and Jefferson obviously stuck with the team. So chances are that there will be more moves to come, which makes it difficult to project the final roster.
But here is a look at what it might look like:
- Offense (26)
- QB (3) - Herbert, Heinicke, Lance
- Would prefer to see them go with two but can't see Lance as QB2... the Chargers gave Lance $1.5M guaranteed, which suggests he will make the final roster
- RB (3) - Harris, Hampton (R), Haskins
- Vidal is odd man out since he does not play special teams
- Will they really go with just 3 RBs? If they keep a 4th, have to cut somewhere else
- FB (1) - Matlock
- WR (6) - McConkey, Williams, Harris (R), Johnston, Lambert-Smith (R), Davis
- Don't see carrying 7 WRs with this group, especially since Gadsden plays a lot like a big WR
- Would love to cut Davis, since he looks even further away from getting any meaningful snaps or role other than returning kickoffs and punts than it appeared last year at this time... does anyone else on the roster have return experience?
- Don't see Rice beating out Lambert-Smith... he and/or Reagor could make the practice squad
- TE (4) - Dissly, Conklin, Gadsden (R), Fisk
- OL (9) - LT Slater, LG Johnson, C Bozeman, RG Becton, RT Alt, C/G James, G/T Salyer, G/T (swing tackle) Pipkins, G/T Taylor (R)
- QB (3) - Herbert, Heinicke, Lance
- Defense (24)
- Edge (4) - Mack, Tuipulotu, Kennard (R), Dupree
- IDL (5) - Caldwell (R), Tart, Hand, Jones, Eboigbe
- Matlock may also contribute here
- I'm showing here that Ogbonnia, who is the only player in this group held over from the Telesco/Staley regime, won't make it... tough call
- LB (5) - Henley, Colson, Perryman, Dye, Phillips
- CB (6) - Jackson, Hart, Still, Leonard, St. Juste, Taylor
- I could see Taylor not making it but I think they will carry 6 CBs and I'm not sure if any of the other CBs including rookie Bridges can beat him out... maybe a good area to target with a veteran free agent signing... or could the team go with 5 CBs and 5 safeties and keep Jefferson over Taylor?
- S (4) - James, Gilman, Molden, Mickens (R)
- I'm thinking Mickens is a long term player for the team, so thinking he beats out Jefferson
- Special Teams (3)
- PK (1) - Dicker
- P (1) - Scott
- LS (1) - Harris
I didn't show any UDFAs making it here. I don't know enough about them yet to know if any have a realistic chance. If any one of them was to make it, someone I listed has to be removed. It's a tight numbers game.
The offense should be quite a bit better, which is a good thing, since it appears to me that the defense will be worse.
Thoughts?
@tau837 Just thinking out loud...
I could still see them carrying 4 RBs. Are we certain Matlock is a "lock"? Fun experiment but he was not particularly good on either side of the ball. Assuming they do keep him though, I wouldn't be shocked if they broke camp with 3 TEs instead of 4 if they want to keep Vidal.
I'm still wondering if they keep Pipkins...
IDL and LB looks set unless there's an injury.
In the secondary, I hope Mickens shows out right away, but he kind of seems like a PS player to me. Will be interesting to see how that shapes up at the bottom, but the top 8 or 9 players are pretty much set.
Edge is probably the biggest disappointment to me after the draft. Kennard was a "fine" add for depth (and hopefully development), but he was a 4th rounder for obvious reasons and they lost a lot of snaps with Bosa leaving. Mack is a year older. IMO it seems like they're one injury away from having an anemic pass rush and you can't beat any good QBs that way.
@blue-beers Agreed on Edge, but with how the draft shook out, the only way to have upgraded IMO, would have been to either take one at 1.22 or trading back from there and acquiring another day 2 pick when there were better options on the board. Between picks 16-21 the board became a bloodbath. If any of those players fall to 1.22, except maybe Stewart, they are selected over Hampton. As it was, I would have preferred Scourton or Ezeiruaku at 1.22, but then who knows how the butterfly effect changes everything else after that?
The only change to the draft that I would have made was selecting IOL instead of KLS in Rd5. I'm not even sure he gets drafted and he definitely would have been there in later rounds. Grabbing a Slater, Frazier, Kendall there would have been optimal. If they were set on grabbing a WR there why not Horton? Maybe they had KLS rated higher or see a specific role for him?
I could still see them carrying 4 RBs.
Agreed. But would have to cut elsewhere to open a spot.
Are we certain Matlock is a "lock"? Fun experiment but he was not particularly good on either side of the ball.
I don't think he is guaranteed a spot necessarily, but I think this team will have a fullback on the roster, so I don't think Matlock getting cut would open up a roster spot for another position.
I think the fact that the team will go with only 5 IDL (in this projection at least) makes the team value Matlock for being able to play some defensive snaps in addition to his fullback role.
Assuming they do keep him though, I wouldn't be shocked if they broke camp with 3 TEs instead of 4 if they want to keep Vidal.
Agreed. They could likely waive Fisk and get him to the practice squad.
As for Vidal, I just don't see him offering enough to make the roster. As a rookie, he wasn't very good at anything except that one wheel route. With the injuries to Edwards and Dobbins, he had an opportunity to impress and didn't.
He averaged 3.6 ypc and had just 7 first downs on 43 rushing attempts. He had a fumble and 3 drops on 8 targets. His PFF pass blocking grade was 2nd worst on the team. And he only played 6 special teams snaps, so he offered no value there.
I think UDFA RB Rocket Sanders is more likely to make it than Vidal.
I'm still wondering if they keep Pipkins...
As of today, he is the swing tackle. If they were to get rid of him, they don't have a true backup tackle, since Hortiz said they plan to move Taylor from tackle to guard. I don't see any upside in getting rid of him now, and it would seem to be counter to the team focus on the value of OL and on tackles, specifically.
In the secondary, I hope Mickens shows out right away, but he kind of seems like a PS player to me.
PFF had him as #7 safety and #108 overall. Lance Zeuerlein (nfl.com) graded him as #10 safety and tied for #131 overall. I think he is going to prove to be a steal.
@tau837 Tau,
With the 3rd QB, can he be a PS player that can be labeled the emergency QB on gameday? I know he doesn't affect the # of players dressing on gameday but does he need to be part of the 53? If not, that could open up a spot for another position player.
I think Ogbonnia and Taylor could be good trade candidates in camp, especially when other teams suffer some inevitable injuries. I really do not want to see Taylor out there again. In fact, I am surprised he is still here.
I also think that Davis is safe because he is a cheap alternative at KR unless KLS or Vidal step into that role? Even if Vidal doesn't assume return duties, only carrying three RB would be light so I gotta believe Vidal makes the 53 somehow.
Do you see Matlock staying at FB? They signed Sanders as an UDFA who is probably better suited for that role and he has some HB experience so he kills to birds with 1 stone. I am also intrigued with UDFA Kaltenburger possibly challenging for backup C and fighting with Taylor for a roster spot.
There's a lot to be determined still, but I could see Pipkins, Taylor, Ogbonnia, and Davis being traded in camp for some late round picks. They probably all have 6th or 7th round value in the league especially if teams suffer injuries.
@evolz3737olz3737
With the 3rd QB, can he be a PS player that can be labeled the emergency QB on gameday? I know he doesn't affect the # of players dressing on gameday but does he need to be part of the 53? If not, that could open up a spot for another position player.
From NFL emergency third-quarterback rule: Questions and answers:
Q: What is an Emergency Third Quarterback?
A: A club may designate a bona fide quarterback as an Inactive/Emergency Third Quarterback for a regular-season or postseason game. The player must be listed on the Gameday Administration Report that is submitted prior to or at the 90-minute meeting, subject to the following:
The Emergency Third Quarterback must be on the club's 53-player roster; the player cannot be an elevated Practice Squad player. The club's starting quarterback (QB1) and its backup quarterback (QB2) must also be on the club's 53-player roster.
A club must have two bona fide quarterbacks on its 47/48-player gameday active list to designate an Emergency Third Quarterback.
A club cannot designate an Emergency Third Quarterback if it has three or more bona fide quarterbacks on its 47/48-player gameday active list.
*Q: When is an Emergency Third Quarterback permitted to enter a game? *
A: An Emergency Third Quarterback is permitted to enter a game only if the club's two active quarterbacks are unable to play either by disqualification or injury, including for example, if QB1 is unable to play and QB2 is being evaluated for an injury.
I also think that Davis is safe because he is a cheap alternative at KR unless KLS or Vidal step into that role?
I suspect Davis is safe, as much as I don't really like it. I'm not aware anyone else I listed in my projected 53 man roster has experience returning kickoffs and punts.
Even if Vidal doesn't assume return duties, only carrying three RB would be light so I gotta believe Vidal makes the 53 somehow.
See my response to @blue-beers on Vidal.
Do you see Matlock staying at FB? They signed Sanders as an UDFA who is probably better suited for that role and he has some HB experience so he kills to birds with 1 stone.
Yes, I also commented on Matlock in my response to @blue-beers. As far as I know, Sanders is a HB, not a FB. I suppose if he could be an effective FB and HB, he could have a shot at unseating Matlock, but I doubt it is something he was ever asked to do in college. I also think the team likes the fact that Matlock can play IDL snaps in addition to fullback and would be reluctant to give that up.
I do think Sanders could make the team as the 4th RB. I think he is more likely to make it than Vidal.
I am also intrigued with UDFA Kaltenburger possibly challenging for backup C and fighting with Taylor for a roster spot.
Maybe so. But IMO the team seemed to reach for Taylor, which makes me think there was something specific they liked about him and might give him the inside track at the 9th OL spot.
There's a lot to be determined still, but I could see Pipkins, Taylor, Ogbonnia, and Davis being traded in camp for some late round picks. They probably all have 6th or 7th round value in the league especially if teams suffer injuries.
Given the state of NFL OL today, IMO Pipkins would be worth more than a 6th round pick. He's worth a lot more than a future 6th round pick to the Chargers in 2025. Without him, they don't have a swing tackle.
I could see a team giving up a 6th or 7th round pick for Davis, but the Chargers would first have to identify an alternative returner to make the 53 man roster.
I could see a team trading a 7th for Ogbonnia, especially if that team suffers IDL injuries that will linger into the regular season. A 6th might be a stretch.
I don't see why any team would offer any pick, even a late 7th round pick, for Taylor. The other teams all have access to his film...
Does anyone find it funny that all we hear from every team that they take the BPA and the board is the board? I call BS on that. I think these teams all draft for need and use the board to determine the best player available at a position of need at their pick. Of course, there are the players that drop and their value overtakes a direct position of need (Derwin, Jalen Carter, Tunsil) or the teams at the top just take a blue chip player even if it is not a direct need.
I always said most teams go into the draft looking to fill their holes with the best players available at those positions when they are on the clock in the first 4-5 rounds. The teams tier players together and use that as an indicator when it's time to make a selection. I do think the later rounds 6-7 are for taking dart throws on traits or could be BPA on the boards then. Just look at our draftees vs needs.
LAC needs RB- Draft Hampton
LAC needs WR- Draft Harris and KLS
LAC needs Edge- Draft Kennard
LAC needs CB- Draft Bridges
LAC needs DT- Draft Caldwell
LAC needs TE- Draft Gadsden
The only direct miss was IOL, and you could argue that Taylor will be moved to interior. Mickens was probably BPA with a look toward the future roster. I can't believe the FO was this lucky that the BPA just happened to align with a need, and they definitely thought they were in danger of missing out on Gadsden since they traded up to get him. He might have been the last TE they had a decent grade on and knew they couldn't miss out on him. I find it hard to believe that a QB, RB, LB, OT, was not the highest rated player on their overall board at any selection.
@evolz3737 a more honest tag would be BPONA....best player of need available. We've discussed numerous times....you're almost never going 100% BPA unless you're roster is stacked (hard in this age) or the board happens to align perfectly with what you....well, need.
There's some component of need in every draft decision.
I believe teams understand positional value today, and they obviously understand their own needs. They also have some sense of where players will be drafted, so they have a sense of which players might be available at which picks. So I think teams enter the draft with a notional plan on which needs are appropriate to address at various points in the draft. I will refer to this as "the needs draft plan."
I also believe teams group players into tiers of talent and then take the best match of player to need from the top tier available at each pick. That can result in a true BPA selection when a small enough group of players remains in the top tier, and they don't truly match the needs draft plan.
I believe that is exactly what happened with Hampton. He was the last player remaining in his talent tier when they reached pick 22. (It has been reported he was the last remaining player the Chargers had graded with a first round grade.) I really don't think the Chargers wanted to take him, even though he was BPA. That's why they were trying to trade down. Ultimately they couldn't get it done (reportedly due to technical difficulties!) so they took him.
@tau837 Well said and I agree 100%. Not sure whether it is better analytics leading to better scouting or more front offices using the same strategies and information, but there doesn’t seem to be the wild, out of the box draft picks the last few seasons like when the Raiders took Ferrell or Leatherwood or the Saints traded up for Davenport in recent years. Teams seem to value the correct players especially in Rd1. Now they might choose a different player from that pool than we predicted, but at least they are all players in the realistic realm of Rd1 consideration.
I'm not a fantasy football guy but it's nice to see your team's #1 draft pick spoken about in these terms.
Now to stop the Raiders' guy.....
Post draft check-in, fellows, after a long hiatus from football. I have little to contribute to this topic and the draft since I didn’t study, evaluate talents as much as you all did leading up to the draft. Hats off to you all for keeping the offseason pre-draft oil burning. Family stuff, a new gig and an old revived gig got my head locked away from football in the past 4 months.
But I’ve got to say, the draft got me excited on Day 2 and 3. I believe Hampton will live up to his draft status and a weapon this offense needs, but I was hoping for one of the DTs taken before our pick at 22. Well, it’s behind us now; it about who we have now in the roster going into the 2025 season.
I see Tau has put out his early 53-man roster projection. Using the same roster Tau has but with a few modifications for what I think as an early roster projection.
OFFENSE: (25)
- QB (3) Herbert / Heinicke / Lance
I believe three is the number here, and can’t have Lance on the PS to be poached later. The 49ers’ recent disaster in an NFC Championship game w/out a QB to finish the game is still a strong reminder that to carry only two QBs at the most crucial position in football is foolish.
- RB (3) – Harris / Hampton / Haskins
Vidal and Raheim Sanders in the PS. All Harris, Hampton and Haskins are proven to be very durable; I don’t see it as issue there with just three RBs.
- FB (1) – Fisk
I think Fisk is a better fit at the FB/HB spot here than Matlock who was more of a 6th OL without the ability to catch the football and block downfield. He was easy to scheme for by the opposing defenses. Let Matlock go back to DL and fight for a spot there. With the rookie Caldwell and new FA acquisitions, he might not make the final roster. This is saving a spot to keep 3 QBs and 9 OL.
- WR (6) – McConkey / Williams / Tre Harris (R) / QJ / Lambert-Smith (R) / Davis
I agree with this list; however, I believe Derius Davis is safe. Tau and I have had some good exchanges already on Davis. Davis must have taken away Tau’s lunches in a prior life. :)) Davis played very well in limited opportunity at wideout and in sweeps out of the backfield. He caught some tough catches and showed his speed and quickness. He got better with opportunity at WR, and I can see that continues this year. When he was used to motion out of the backfield, two defenders (LB & safety) had to account for him. You have to take him as a threat with his ability to run with the football like a scatback; an advantage to the offense. To me, he did admirably in his roles without the football in his hands . His kick return is an obvious strength that the team can still count on.
- TE (3) – Dissly / Conklin / Gadsden (R)
Fisk at the HB/FB spot, another blocking TE
- OL (9) - LT Slater / LG Bozeman / C Johnson / RG Becton / RT Alt / C-G James / G-T Salyer, G-T (swing tackle) Pipkins / G-T Taylor (R)
It’s too premature, but I started the idea of moving Zion to center over two seasons ago and I’m sticking with it that he has now been given the opportunity to work at center. However, from his performance last season, I wouldn’t be too convinced now than I was then 2 years ago. But now that he gets help at center in pass pro, center could be his real spot. He’s still a young player and with his high draft pick status, I would love for him to hold down a spot in the OL as a Charger for more years to come.
DEFENSE: (25)
- Edge (4) – Mack / Tuipulotu / Kennard (R) / Dupree
Kennard provides a good change of pace as a speed pass rusher from the two power-rusher starters in Mack and Tuli. But he will be a liability against the run, and only can be counted on passing downs.
IDL (6) - Caldwell (R) / Tart / Hand / Jones / Eboigbe / Ogbonnia
I believe Ogbonnia isn’t going anywhere. I thought he played very well especially in base defense with him, Ford, and Tart.
- LB (4) – Henley / Colson / Perryman / Dye
- CB (6) – Jackson / Hart / Still / Leonard / St. Juste / Bridges
Taylor’s last season's poor performances aren’t helping his case this time. Bridges’ size, good college coverage grade and solid run support would be enough to push Taylor out.
- S (5) – James / Gilman / Molden / Jefferson / Mickens (R)
With this defense plays heavily in nickel defense with James predominantly at the slot in the box while Molden and Gilman man the safety spots, you can’t have just one backup safety. Jefferson is still a playmaker in a non-starter role, and Mickens is a young Jefferson in his own right. He is a sure tackler like Tony, a football magnet, smart and fearless. There is a lot to like about this rookie safety.
- Special Teams (3) – Dicker / Scott (P) / Harris (LS)
Davis played very well in limited opportunity at wideout and in sweeps out of the backfield. He caught some tough catches and showed his speed and quickness. He got better with opportunity at WR, and I can see that continues this year. When he was used to motion out of the backfield, two defenders (LB & safety) had to account for him. You have to take him as a threat with his ability to run with the football like a scatback; an advantage to the offense. To me, he did admirably in his roles without the football in his hands . His kick return is an obvious strength that the team can still count on.
I just plain disagree that he played well on offense.
He had 5 first downs in 14 receptions on 16 targets. His YPRR was below that of Smartt, Quentin, Dissly, and Palmer. He is a player with legit deep speed, yet he can't get any deep targets... his ADOT was 3.8.
As a rusher, he had 13 rushing attempts for 36 yards for just 2 first downs... less than 3 ypc.
On offense in 2025, barring injuries, I don't know how he will get any offensive snaps. Harris and Lambert-Smith should be the easy choice over Davis for deep routes. Could he get more short targets? I suppose, but why not give those to others who don't tip the defense the way Davis does?
IMO it is foolish to give him snaps on offense now, with Williams, Harris, and Lambert-Smith all presumably on the final roster, along with McConkey and Johnston. What reason is there to believe that it makes sense to give Davis any touches over those other WRs? What has he shown to justify that?
As for special teams value, he was once again good on limited punt returns and average at best on kickoff returns. He returned 19 punts and had fair catches on 24 others. His PFF punt return grade ranked #5. But, again, on 19 plays. His PFF kickoff return grade ranked #134. These grades support what I took away from watching the games.
Davis has no other special teams role beyond returning kickoffs and punts.
Like I have written, I assume he will stick because the team did not (to my knowledge) add any player(s) likely to make the final 53 man roster who has kickoff/punt return experience. I don't love it, but that is what I expect.
I'm sure I am harboring a grudge against Davis for where Telesco overdrafted him...
LB (4) – Henley / Colson / Perryman / Dye
I'm not sure if it was intentional, but you are missing Phillips here, the team's replacement for Niemann. He should be a core special teams player, and I think he will make the final roster barring injury.
Thank you Buck! It's good to be back. There is much to be excited about the 2025 season with a drastically improved offense thru the draft. I wish I can say the same about the defense, but it will still be competitive as long as Minter is still the DC plus it will be his second year on the job. Greg Roman isn't your man at OC, but I like to believe his second year would be vastly improved, and Ortiz will continue to cook like he did to improve the 2025 roster.
How is it without the farm? Did you move out of town after you sold the farm? Hope all is good, Buck
@tui1hit I've been wanting to sell for awhile. Struck a good deal so happy about that. No, can't say I miss it. I was tired of being in such a remote area. I'm back in Richmond VA for now, temporarily in an Airbnb, leaving 6/2 on a 4 month motorcycle trip around the country. I'll figure out more permanent living arrangements when I return. Probably Richmond but it's not definite.
May head to Portugal/Spain for a couple of months when I get back from this rideabout. I can pay rent there cheaper than the US and been wanting to go. I'd like to hang out in Nazare' awhile and watch the big wave surfers. 🙂
@buck-melanoma That's awesome, brother. A motorcycle trip around the country? Wow! I've considered Algarve region of Portugal as a place to retire myself, but the wife hasn't been convinced yet. Way more affordable there than moving back to New Zealand, my wife's choice. I inherited a small plot of land in NZ from my father's farm after he passed 4 years ago. But it's 40 minutes from town. Does that sound familiar? 
Glad you're doing well, Buck.
@tui1hit it does sound familiar!
It's nice having a grocery store less than 20 miles or a ferry ride away. 😉
@buck-melanoma Buck that's cool that you will possibly be in Europe over the holidays. If you are still there for the SB it would be interesting.
I still think keeping just 3 RB is light. Especially since we just dropped the FA tender on Dobbins
I agree that 3 RBs could be viewed as light. However, it is worth noting that either Edwards, Dobbins, or Vidal was inactive in every game last season. So they only had 3 RBs active for games.
I very strongly doubt that the Dobbins tender bears on this at all. He can sign with anyone until July 22, and I fully expect he will sign elsewhere. If he comes back to the Chargers, he has to fight for touches with Hampton and Harris. Not really a great situation for him to try to earn a bigger contract next offseason.
Good that him signing elsewhere will figure into the comp pick formula, though.
@tau837 agreed but they had 4 RB on the 53. If Dobbins doesn’t sign with someone before July 22 then he’s back in the 53 and we will definitely be carrying 4. Vidal would be the odd man out in that scenario most likely.
@evolz3737 I'm just saying you don't need 4 on the 53 man roster if you are going to have one inactive every week. You can elevate a RB like Vidal from the practice squad in an emergency scenario. Vidal was only active for 10 games, but 4 of those were when Edwards was on IR and another 4 were when Dobbins was on IR. You don't normally expect your top 2 RBs to spend 4 games each on IR.
Yes, if Dobbins doesn't sign by July 22, he is likely back. I expect he will sign with another team by that deadline to ensure he finds a better opportunity than he would with the 2025 Chargers.
I think Sanders is a better 4th RB than Vidal, and I would like the team to find a way to keep him. It's just a roster crunch. As was pointed out, they could cut Fisk instead, but they didn't draft Gadsden for his blocking.
Keeping a QB3 on the active roster and also keeping 5 players who are dedicated exclusively to special teams (PK Dicker, P Scott, LS Harris, KR/PR Davis, LB Phillips) creates roster pressure.
@tau837 very true. Do you know the PS call up limits? I think you can only be called up 3 times or something before you need to be a part of the permanent 53? I could be wrong but I thought there were limits on how many times a player can be elevated.
Some info on the UDFA class via Popper. No one leaps off the page. A couple of maybes.
I think RB Sanders has a better chance to make the final 53 man roster than Vidal if the Chargers keep 4 RBs. (And assuming Dobbins does not return due to the UFA tender.)
I am skeptical that any of the others have much of a chance. I already posted upthread about the roster crunch overall and at multiple positions.
And that is without even accounting for any veteran free agents Hortiz might sign. As I posted upthread, he signed several after this date last season, and most of them made the final roster.
@buck-melanoma let's not forget the early preseason game which means we start TC a week earlier and then start with the Brazil game. Unfortunately, I am sure injuries will play a part of the first 53 also depending on which positions get hit the hardest.
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