James is under contract through 2026. That means there will be a lot of talk this offseason about extending him. There are 3 primary reasons to extend him, which are all fairly obvious:

  1. He is a good player, and this means he would be with the team for some number of seasons beyond 2026, providing good play. It also creates the potential for him to play his entire career with the Chargers and go down as all-time franchise great.
  2. They could structure the extension to clear 2026 cap space, since he is currently set to count $24M against the 2026 cap.
  3. If they donโ€™t extend him, a worst-case scenario is that he could get frustrated, and it could negatively affect his play in the 2026 season. Extending him avoids this risk.

However, I think they should strongly consider trading him if they can find a trade partner. Why?

  1. I donโ€™t think the team can structure its roster to become a Super Bowl winning roster with a safety as one of it few highest paid players. At least not with also having a top franchise QB contract in place.
  2. The current Chargers coaching staff has shown an ability to get good to great play out of defensive backs of all types:
    1. High draft picks: James (1st), Jackson (2nd by CAR), Fulton (2nd by TEN)
    2. Mid round draft picks: Molden (3rd by TEN), St-Juste (3rd by WAS)
    3. Late round draft picks: Still (5th), Hart (5th), Mickens (6th), Gilman (6th)
    4. Undrafted: Jefferson, Reed
    5. Bargain free agency: Fulton, Jackson, St-Juste, Jefferson
    6. Bargain trade: Molden

On the first point, IMO the team would be better served to have low priced players at the non-premium positions, such as RB (check), TE (check), LB (check), S. On the flip side, they should ideally spread their highest paid players across these position groups: QB (check), WR (not yet, but coming with McConkey), OL (check), Edge (check), IDL, and CB. They donโ€™t have it at CB, but #2 above suggests that is okay. But they also donโ€™t have it at IDL, thanks to the unfortunate decision not to invest in Poona. IMO they need to move the high cap hit for James to a high cap hit for an anchor player in the IDL position group.

This is further supported by the second point. The team has shown it can coach good DB performance out of all kinds of players. Iโ€™m not saying they can coach another player up to be Derwin James, but rather that they can coach up players such that the loss in safety play will be less than the gain in play by investing the cap space at IDL.

Consider the top 10 2025 safety cap hits:

  1. Derwin James, LAC, S โ€“ $23,865,314
  2. Xavier McKinney, GB, S โ€“ $17,850,000
  3. Jalen Thompson, ARI, S โ€“ $13,736,570
  4. Jessie Bates III, ATL, S โ€“ $12,258,505
  5. Budda Baker, ARI, S โ€“ $10,816,250
  6. Harrison Smith, MIN, S โ€“ $9,903,068
  7. Amani Hooker, TEN, S โ€“ $9,620,020
  8. Antoine Winfield Jr., TB, S โ€“ $9,138,835
  9. Brandon Jones, DEN, S โ€“ $9,062,153
  10. Kyle Hamilton, BAL, S โ€“ $8,733,620

First, I would observe that only 4 of these players are on teams that currently seem likely to make the 2025 playoffs: James, McKinney, Winfield, and Jones. But the cap hits are much lower for Winfield (-$14.7M) and Jones (-$14.8M) than for James. Even McKinneyโ€™s is $6M lower. Only one (McKinney) seems to be on a Super Bowl contender.

Consider the top 10 2025 safety contract averages:

  1. Kyle Hamilton, BAL, S โ€“ $25,100,000
  2. Kerby Joseph, DET, S โ€“ $21,500,000
  3. Antoine Winfield Jr. TB, S โ€“ $21,025,000
  4. Derwin James, LAC, S โ€“ $19,133,000
  5. Minkah Fitzpatrick, MIA, S โ€“ $18,403,059
  6. Budda Baker, ARI, S โ€“ $18,000,000
  7. Trevon Moehrig, CAR, S โ€“ $17,000,000
  8. Xavier McKinney, GB, S โ€“ $16,750,000
  9. Jessie Bates III, ATL, S โ€“ $16,005,000
  10. Jevon Holland, NYG, S โ€“ $15,100,000

This shows some differences driven by timing. For example, Hamiltonโ€™s cap hit in the 2025 list is much lower than his average because he just signed his extension, whereas Jamesโ€™ cap hit in the 2025 list is quite a bit higher than his average because he is late in his contract.

That said, there are still only 4 players here on teams that currently seem likely to make the 2025 playoffs: Joseph, Winfield, James, and McKinney. Only 2 of them (Joseph and McKinney) are on teams that seem to have a legit chance at a Super Bowl.

Iโ€™m not sure that any of that is definitive or predictive, so letโ€™s turn to Jamesโ€™ actual performance. I know views on PFF grades are mixed, but it is available to me, so I will use it. Obviously, I recognize it isnโ€™t perfect, so we need to take it as one element of evaluation.

Most important is Jamesโ€™ 2025 performance, since it is most recent (all rankings out of 100 safeties graded through week 12 with at least 100 defensive snaps):

  • Overall defensive grade: 75.0, tied for #15, 601 snaps
  • Pass rush: 78.1, #13, 49 snaps
  • Coverage: 77.2, #7, 328 snaps
  • Run defense: 60.0, #80, 224 snaps โ€“ worst performance of his career by a large margin
  • Tackling: 47.8, #88 โ€“ worst performance of his career by a large margin

Part of the rationale for why Derwin is so important to the defense is that playing him at nickel is supposed to help the Chargers run defense and pass rush. He has been good at pass rushing but quite disappointing in run defense, and the latter has hurt the Chargers defense this season.

And it is worth asking, has he performed like one of the best safeties in the NFL this season? Well, not as an All Pro caliber safety, so not as a top 5 safety. As a Pro Bowl caliber safety? Maybe, maybe not, hard to tell right now. He is being paid to be an All Pro safety.

Looking back over his career with the Chargers:

  • 2025: Good season, but not playing up to potential or contract
  • 2024: Great season, 2nd team All Pro
  • 2023: Worst performance of his career by a large margin
  • 2022: Great season, 2nd team All Pro
  • 2021: Good season, but did not play up to potential or contract
  • 2020: Missed season due to injury
  • 2019: Played well but missed all but 5 games due to injury
  • 2018: Great (career best) season, 1st team All Pro

His play has been inconsistent. Even ignoring 2019-2020 due to injury (which largely killed the value of his rookie contract to the Chargers), he has had 3 great seasons and 3 lesser performance seasons, including 2025. This doesnโ€™t really seem to indicate an urgency for a contract extension for a player who will be 30 before the 2026 season and 31 before any season under an extension.

Going into 2026, the team only has 4 active-roster caliber OL under contract, at least until Becton becomes a cap casualty; of the other 3, two (Slater, Alt) are coming off injury, and the other (Bozeman) is arguably the worst center in the NFL. This unit needs a tremendous amount of work.

Going into 2026, the team only has 2 active-roster caliber IDL under contract, Caldwell, and Eboigbe. This unit also needs a lot of work.

Going into 2026, the team only has 3 active-roster caliber Edge players under contract, at least until Dupree becomes a cap casualty; of the other two (Tuli, Kennard), only one is proven at the NFL level. Again, a lot of work is needed here.

A much greater level of team resources needs to be invested in these 3 position groups than was true in 2024 and 2025. A mechanism to enable that is to trade James.

And I havenโ€™t even talked about the fact that the team will get value back for trading James. The Chargers only have 5 draft picks in the 2026 draft. They could obviously use more. Iโ€™m not sure if James would bring back a first round pick, but letโ€™s say a worst case is a 2nd and 4th. Those picks add significant value in addition to clearing cap space to spend on IDL or other high value position(s) instead of safety.

I expect this will be an unpopular take. Still, thoughts?

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TDU_Alister
TDU_Alister(@alisterlloyd)
1 month ago

TDU_Alister
TDU_Alister(@alisterlloyd)
Reply to  TDU_Alister
1 month ago

Thought now was a good time to give this article of yours a little push on our X page,  Tau837. Hope you don’t mind!

Kyle DeDiminicantanio
Admin
2 months ago

This is a great question, and as you and others have pointed out, just seems rooted in intangibles. There have been stretches were James misses time, and the defense has actually played better. I don’t think we’d ever see a situation where our offense would play better if we lost $20M worth of salaried talent on the offense line (namely, the center position).

The fan in me wants Derwin here in perpetuity. But if there is a trade opportunity that nets some sizeable returns, I’d be interested… and I’d probably look to bring Alohi back if a trade was made.

Also Tau – I saw you mention that Zion’s market could be in the $18M range… while it could be, the guard market is weird. I’ve spent hours with my buddy Josh dumping quantitative and qualitative data into spreadsheets and trying to find correlations… but it’s really, really fickle trying to predict where someone like Zion ends up going for. He could easily be another Dalton Risner and settling for sub-$5M/yr (with a slight 1st round bump) because the league thinks he’s been given enough run as a starter, with enough talent around him, but still hasn’t established himself as a consistently above-average starter.

KevDiego
KevDiego(@kevdiego)
3 months ago

Interesting discussion. Thanks Kyle for starting the topic and thank you Erick, Tau and Al for adding to the conversation. A few thoughts:

  • A few years ago, Derwin was very injury prone. He seems to have figured out how to take better care of his body, but I wonder what impact all the work done to his knees will have when he turns 30. Expecting any DB to continue to play at a high level past 30 is a big gamble. I think it’s even more risky with Derwin.
  • I would rather have an NFL-average center and an NFL average safety than the current top-5 safety and bottom-5 center.
  • Agree with most of Erick’s points on roster construction. I will say that Telesco left the team in pretty shitty shape. Without Herbert, they would have been the Raiders roster.
  • I think the short-term contracts are to plug holes at bargain prices. I do wish they would take a few strategic swings at huge places of need (like the interior of both lines).

AJ Smith used to say “you’re a Chargers one year at a time.” I think everyone has to earn their spot and everything that could make the roster better should be on the table. With only 5 picks, trading an aging Derwin for two picks seems pretty damn attractive.

KathmanduSteve
KathmanduSteve(@kathmandusteve)
Reply to  KevDiego
3 months ago

Great discussions about Derwin and OL, thanks Tau for the analysis and initiating the thoughts. I like the rational/logical discussion, but I don’t think Harbaugh will be thinking that way. Derwin, along with Herbert (and Mack as long as he wants to play) are Harbaugh’s anchors. Not just because Derwin was the first to meet him as he was working at the facility through the offseason when Harbaugh arrived.

What do you folks think of Harbaugh’s absolute love for Derwin. That’s gotta be factored in, right?

Erick V
Erick V(@erick-v)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

Tau,

You could also say that investing in the draft at those positions in day 2 or later and hitting on those players (Still, Hart, Caldwell, Henley, Tuli) has also lowered the $ spent there, but not sacrificing quality. The OL is on the opposite end of the spectrum and I know that $ is inflated by Slater’s deal, but even without that $ factored in they are still way over paid for their performance.

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Erick V
Erick V(@erick-v)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

Those are the three I was thinking of as overpaid. Let’s also throw into the mix that Zion will be a FA, so we are probably going to need resources to fill the entire IOL this offseason and unless he prefers to take a little less to stay in LA, he might be a goner after seeing that Hortiz had no stomach for the FA IOL market last year. Would anyone be shocked if they kept Becton around for the simple reason that he is under contract already and it’s one less position on the IOL they need to actively fill?

KevDiego
KevDiego(@kevdiego)
Reply to  Erick V
3 months ago

The OL ranking was shocking (at least to me).

  • I think most of us were in favor of the Slater extension. Having missed 2 of his last 4 seasons, I also think it’s reasonable to discuss the value of a dude who is prone to tear muscles. If we’re going to talk about trading Derwin, I think discussing the merits of continuing to pay Slater needs to be discussed as well.
  • Why the fuck does Bozeman have a $5M cap hit? Dude is the worst center in football and should be getting league-minimum
  • Hated the Pipkins signing at the time and was in favor of letting him go this off-season. But, looking at the list, he’s one of the dudes you could argue is earning his checks.
  • Zion, Salyer & Hart all seem to be adding value with respect to their cap hits.
  • There’s been a lot of discussion about the merits of re-signing Zion. Thoughts on re-signing Salyer? If he plays at an NFL-average level at LT for the remainder of the season, his value is going to go up. I think I would rather have him as swing vs. Pipkins, who struggled in the interior and has chronic knee issues.
  • The Penning trade seemed to be the right gamble at the right time, but the dude struggles vs power and this coaching staff has not demonstrated the ability to improve OL players. Liked the trade. Thus far, hate the results.
KevDiego
KevDiego(@kevdiego)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

Agree. The contract is brutal. The injury timing felt very Butler-esque.

The Chargers are where they are with Slater. I do think that past performance is the best indicator of future results. Counting on Slater to play out his contract performing at a high level while staying mostly healthy is not a good bet. The Chargers need to develop a better plan B. Options:

  • First, the way this coaching staff has been developing OL talent sucks. The staff needs to be upgraded, with a focus on developing talent. Look at what the Colts, Eagles and Broncos have been able to do with mid-round talent.
  • Who do you retain on the current roster? The Chargers currently have 5 1st round players on their offensive line: Penning, Becton, Johnson, Alt, Slater. Crazy that the worst offensive line in the NFL has 5 1st round players. If the price is right, I think retaining Penning makes sense. I’m also not opposed to letting Becton play in his final year provided he spends the offseason working with Herbert. Also think Salyer needs to come back
  • At tackle, Slate, Alt starting, with Salyer the swing and Penning the developmental dude, provided there’s a staff that can maximize his value, is promising
  • Center needs to be drafted in 2026
  • Guards of Zion (if affordable), Becton (if coaching is upgraded to give us 2024 performance) with Taylor and a draft pick as the developmental group would be very dependent on coaching to extract the best play. If Zion is not brought back and/or Becton is gone, guard in FA and the draft becomes a huge priority.
Blue Beers
Blue Beers(@blue-beers)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

Yes I agree and expect a major overhaul of the Offensive line. Slater and Alt are the only locks for the roster.

Becton will be gone. He was never their first choice but once other options were off the table they clearly structured his contract knowing that signing him would be gamble.

I would not re-sign Zion and I would cut Bozeman too (though I suspect they will end up keeping him around for some reason).

They need multiple signings and multiple draft picks on the OL next year.

Erick V
Erick V(@erick-v)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

My niece goes to Penn State so I watch the games usually every week with my brother in law. Once I saw Ioane on the radar as a potential Rd1 talent I started watching him in games. The guy is fantastic. Strong with good feet and he has a nasty streak. It is still very early to start formulating draft boards and needs until after FA, but this guy would be a slam dunk in Rd1. He might not last until the mid to late 20’s though.

As of right now I am in the camp of IOL/Edge/DT in Rd1, but it will all depend on what is done in FA. The roster will have a ton of holes after the new league year.

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KevDiego
KevDiego(@kevdiego)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

I agree with your point – Becton is a huge disappointment and is likely gone. However, cutting Becton limits team leverage in discussions with Johnson. Replacing all three interior OL given the price of OL in free agency and limited draft capitol is asking for a lot. If the price is manageable, I think they keep Zion & Bozeman, draft a center and either sign or draft a guard.

I would love it if the Chargers spent their first two picks on the interior OL. Just not sure they can do that with the needs on the interior of the DL and Edge (and LB). Re-signing Oweh and having Mack back solves some of the problem here. Having Kennard and Junior ready to play in the NFL will also help.

Also interesting that you put Alt at LT and Slater at RT. If I had to guess at the OL:

  • LT: Slater
  • LG: Zion
  • C: draft pick (rounds 1-3)
  • RG: draft pick/FA
  • RT Alt

Reserves:

  • Salyer (swing T): If he plays well, he may price himself out of a role with the Chargers
  • Bozeman (G/C): May start early in the season, but the new center needs to take over by mid-season
  • Penning/Hart: Not sure what the market for Penning will be, nor if he will ever be a starting offensive lineman in the NFL. He is very athletic and plays the 6th offensive lineman very well. If the coaching staff is improved (fingers crossed) and the price is right, then he’s an interesting prospect. If Hart wants to keep playing, having him back feels like getting Pipkins for a quarter of the price
  • One of the young big developmental dudes: Taylor, Washington, Kaltenberger

If Harbaugh opens up the Spanos checkbook and hires Frank Smith, then drafts a quality center, I like this group in 2026

KevDiego
KevDiego(@kevdiego)
Reply to  Tau837
2 months ago

I don’t think Mack or Oweh are going to break the bank. Age limits the number of teams who could realistically sign Mack. He likely gets a contract similar to the current $18M.

Oweh is younger, which means he’s probably going to be looking for a long-term contract with high guarantees. I googled the contract forecast and the consensus is a contract of 4 years, $80M, which should be do-able for the Chargers. The question will be, do the Chargers want to spend that on Oweh or potentially go after a better player (like Hendrickson)?

Fair point about Slater. FWIW, I read somewhere that Slater was spotted walking around the Chargers facility in November, which is a good sign. I also read that the Chargers may look to kick him to the interior, which is not a good sign (and would make his contract a disaster). Slater being un-available or un-able to play tackle creates a huge hole. It would be crazy if the Chargers had to draft ANOTHER tackle in the `1st round. 3 first round tackles in 6 years? Yesh.

Kyle DeDiminicantanio
Admin
Reply to  KevDiego
2 months ago

Hey Kev – the Bozeman contract is interesting. If I remember right, about half of Bozeman’s contract is paid of % of snaps played incentives, which are currently labeled as “likely to be earned” and accounting against the cap because his previous year snap counts indicate he should hit those numbers again.

Honestly – I would bring back Bozeman in a heartbeat next year, assuming he can be a depth piece at C and G. If he drops down the depth chart AS HE SHOULD, he’s cap hit will only be half of what is currently shown, unless injuries put him on the field.

But – if he’s retained and handed the position again, I’ll be pissed :).

You’re last point is spot on. I would feel so much better about the Penning trade if we felt confident in our OL coaching.

TDU_Alister
TDU_Alister(@alisterlloyd)
3 months ago

A highly logical and (with respect), a highly persuasive argument for trading away Derwin; at least from a quantitative perspective.

The key question with Derwin is always going to be about how you apportion value (if any) to his qualitative impact, if you believe he has one.

I just don’t even know how to resolve this.

We have a Safety who is (in your words) ‘good” and in some seasons great who is spoken about in hushed tones by all his teammates and coaches. They love coming to work because of Derwin James. They stand taller because of Derwin James. Are they better in the film room because of Derwin James? Do they communicate better on the field because of Derwin James? Is he the fabric of the orgnasation and would his removal tear the cultural fabric for the next [X] seasons?

I have no earthly idea. I am also not in the building. Perhaps they could find another, or multiple, other leaders to fill the void if he was traded?

Very challenging decision this one, and I’m glad I’m not the one making it.

Last edited 3 months ago by TDU_Alister
TDU_Alister
TDU_Alister(@alisterlloyd)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

I think if pushed into a corner, I’m on your side Tau (about the latter situation having a bigger impact).

The glorification of “team leaders” on NFL Films (think Steve Sabol zooming in on the Ray Lewis dance and his motivational speeches) potentially causes us all to overestimate the impact these heart and soul players have on winning championships. Former and current players might say something different though. I’m not so bold as to think I have the answer here.

Nice quote. I’ve recently survived a significant restructure at work (~8% of staff, some of whom are very talented with long tenure). A timely reminder never to assume you’re indispensable especially at a large organisation!

Erick V
Erick V(@erick-v)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

Another point is that you are taking away a known quantity at this point (both tangibly and intangibly) with Derwin on the hope that the resources gained in trading him will be used on the IDL/Edge/IOL and that those resources will turn out to be successful additions. For all we know those picks might be used on another S or CB or RB or TE or players that are busts?

In the game of craps we call this betting on the come. You hope that the next roll will give you a better situation on the board than you have, but it’s still not guaranteed to do so.

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Blue Beers
Blue Beers(@blue-beers)
Reply to  Tau837
3 months ago

I am skeptical there will be enough value in a trade for him so it would end up being more of a salary dump (which they don’t really need to do). A restructure seems more appropriate.

Erick V
Erick V(@erick-v)
3 months ago

Tau,

This is an interesting take and like you said, probably an unpopular one being that Derwin is a fan favorite and one of the most popular players on the team. I think the discussion of the scarcity of players under contract on both lines is another indictment of the constant one year deals, and is a discussion to dive into further once the offseason is upon us. IMO, It creates a ton of turnover every year and by using this method you are bound to get as many Becton/Conklin type results as you are a Ford or Perryman. Of course the flip side is that you limit the bad deals to one year, but churning 20+ players every year doesn’t seem like a sound process. It is impossible to plug every hole in the draft and FA when you have a bigger roster core, no less 1/3 of the roster, and now with less picks.

But getting back to Derwin trade, the one question I have would be that do you think the formula to finding success so far in the secondary with lower round picks by Hortiz and one year deals is because Derwin plays such a huge role that it makes their job easier on the field? Does his flexibility afford Minter to reduce their roles so that they are more successful without broader responsibilities? PFF can never grade the effect he has on opposing teams game plans because of his presence and versatility.

It seems like Minter has been able to, for the most part, create a successful scheme around Derwin. I’m not saying that he cannot do it without him, but the Minter/McDonald scheme flourishes with the type of chess piece S they can deploy. McDonald had it with Hamilton in Baltimore and his defense in Seattle has really taken off once they drafted Derwin clone, Emmanwori. Could it be a coincidence? Possibly, but the theory definitely has some merit.

For the record as of now, I am in the camp of extending him to keep him in the fold another 3-4 years, but I am not 100% married to it, because as you laid out, the roster construction decisions the last two seasons, have left the team barren at critical position groups going into this off season. In fact, the roster construction was so bad at certain spots that Hortiz had to throw draft picks at it in season just to try and be competent. I know injuries played a huge part with the OT, but the Edge group was a glaring issue since the end of last year and it cost us a pick just to try to get another average player to add to the rotation. Sorry for the roster rant, it just chaps my ass the way it was built this year. Good discussion topic with Derwin though. It definitely has merit.

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