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Game Day Thread: Chargers @ Texans

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Buck Melanoma
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Good drive, Bills!!


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Erick V
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Nix always looks better in the scripted plays. Once the playbook opens up he’s a different player. 


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Donks are toast, but they’ll be a load next season. The AFC West is going to be slug fest next year. Oh, and the Raiders. They’ll be there, too.


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Raiders took a big step in the right direction by dumping Telesco.


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Buffalo is putting an ass whoopin' on the Nags. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼


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@buck-melanoma I know they lost, but you can’t tell me that the Broncos offense doesn’t look way more creative than anything we have seen from LAC this season.


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@evolz3737 You're right. Never denied that Sean Payton is an offensive genius. He's also a POS human. And I'll never forget or forgive those assholes for busting up Jamal Williams knee under Shanahan. I despise that team and put Shanahan in the same category as Jeff Fisher.

 

I'll pull for the Raiders over the nags.


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Erick V
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@buck-melanoma Not saying anything on that level. I was just saying how different a real offense looks compared to what Roman runs. It would be unfair to compare it to anything Buffalo does, because Allen is one of one.


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Yeah, I thought maybe, just maybe Roman was learning to maximize what he has. Turns out it was just against weak opponents. He sucks and Baltimore knew it. John beat Jim in the regular season and by pawning Roman off on him.

 

Sorry about the off topic rant. I just despise the Broncos.


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@buck-melanoma Ha. You never have to apologize for berating any AFCW foe!!


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Yeah, this loss hurts. And Herbert had the worst game of his career, IMO. But I have to remind myself I predicted 8-9 wins. So the team exceeded my expectations. 

That doesn’t change the obvious truth that the team has had a lot of problems on offense for most of the season. Many of the problems are personnel-related, but a good deal of it is coaching. I just flat out don’t think Roman is the right OC for a team with a QB like Herbert. It just doesn’t seem like Roman’s strengths complement or maximizes Herbert’s. I mean, yeah, the team needs a strong run game, but it also needs an OC who can give Herbert a passing scheme that optimizes Herbert’s passing talent. Roman can do the former with the right personnel, but not the latter. I hate that Herbert has had 4 OCs in 5 years, but does that justify pushing a suboptimal coaching choice for another year? Just seems like Harbaugh ought to look at the coaching staff just like his players. Can he bring in a better coach to make the team better? Competitors welcome, right?


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@unclejammsarmy Fantastic take. I think Harbaugh will keep the status quo for coaches, but I do think Ficken could be on the hot seat after yesterday’s performance and the fact that he was a hold over from the previous regime.


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@evolz3737 I was thinking the same thing.  That, and Jim's son is the ST coordinator for the Seahawks.


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@unclejammsarmy I think there may (and should) be some churn on the offensive coaching staff:

  • Marcus Brady (Passing Game Coordinator):  Marcus, a former QB, has no experience with Harbaugh/Roman.  The passing game didn't look very coordinated this year, so....?
  • Andy Bischoff (Running Game Coordinator/TE):  Worked as a TE coach in Baltimore with Roman, so don't think he'll be kicked to the curb.  I could see him be re-assigned as this was by far the worst running game of Roman's career.  Maybe he's just the TE coach next year as the dude did make chicken salad out of the chicken shit players he was handed at the TE position.
  • Shane Day (QB Coach): No history with Roman.  Statistically, Herbert had a good year and Justin likes Shane, so not sure he leaves.  Total guess on my part, but I'm not sure Shane and Roman are aligned philosophically, so maybe there is some friction there?
  • Mike Devlin (OL Coach):  The interior of the OL looked just as confused last Saturday as they did in the 1st game of the season.  Big reason why the Chargers are not playing this coming week.  Mike's been an OL coach for a long time and worked for Jim H last year.  Don't think he's super-highly regarded.
  • Sanjay Lal (WR Coach):  Another guy with limited/no history with Jim/Roman (he may have known Jim during his year at the Raiders).  While QJ did improve, the dude still can't catch.  Sanjay's been a WR coach in the league for a long time, but the lack of progress with any receiver not named Ladd (and the fall-off from Palmer) could put him on the hot seat?

 Of the offensive coaches, I think Brady is the most likely to go, followed by Devlin.  I do expect some churn.  Someone has to take accountability for the worst running game in GRo's career.


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@kevdiego Great post. In looking at Devlin (and Nick Hardwick via association), he didn’t completely have the horses. Bozeman was expected to be average, but he also had Pipkins playing over Salyer most of the year. I don’t know whose decision that was, but Salyer played well at times where Pipkins played well much less. As for Zion, there wasn’t as much progression in his game as we would have liked. But Alt looked very good. I don’t know if that’s coaching or freakish athleticism, but Devlin should get at least a little credit. But in sum, too much pressure on Herbert and too much inconsistency in opening running lanes. Maybe this gets fixed by giving Devlin a couple of stronger players on the interior, or giving those stronger players to another line coach. (But it hate to see Hardwick go, too.)


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Buck Melanoma
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@smith this is what I see from Zion, and to some degree Salyer. Both are extremely strong and usually play with a good base. They have enough foot speed to pull when asked.

 

BUT....I don't see elite recognition skills from either of them. You can get by a little better at tackle because you have the space to adjust. Inside you don't have that luxury. So guys like them really need a savvy center to help with assignments. Otherwise you see them lose that base because they're out of position and lunging. We saw the improvement to some degree the small stretch of time that we had Linsley....and watched a big drop-off when he was out.

 

On offense, my 2 priorities are center and TE. RB too but less critical, IMO, or at least less worthy of expensive draft capital. Defense is a little trickier, depends more on who stays and goes. You can always use corners and Zont is gone, I'm sure (not that he had any impact this year). A thumper in the middle and at least one edge.

 

It's a big plate to fill but we're in a better financial situation. Hortiz is gonna get a chance to really make an impact this year.


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In addition to coaching changes, let’s look at our FAs. I note “In” for the ones I’d keep and, well “Out” is self explanatory:

Poona-In

Tart-In

Fox-Out

Dye-In

Mack-In (if team friendly deal)

Rumph-Out

Sarell-Out

Perryman-Out (always injured)

Fulton-Out

Apple-Out

Molden-In

Asante-Out

Maye-Out

Jefferson-Practice Squad

Niemann-In (special teams)

Chark-Out

Reagor-Out

Fehoko-Out

Palmer-Out

Dobbins-In

Edwards-Out

Hurst-Out

Smartt-In

Fisk-?????!

Bozeman-Out

Mustipher-Out

Jaimes-Out

Scott-In?

Stick-Out

Heineken-In

Though not FAs, cut Bosa and Pipkins. Can’t pay them what they’re scheduled to make, which is un guaranteed. What say you?


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